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Old 17th Sep 2010, 12:32   #1
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Components For A New Build

First off I'd like to apologise for all the threads Ive started. I have got to build a computer for uni and I start in like 2 weeks. I have been struggling to find the right components so panic set in.

Budget: £1200
Main uses of intended build: Gaming/Uni work/Media Hub that will link up to a large TV eventually.
Previous build information (list details of parts): Nothing to scavenge, starting fresh.
Monitor resolution: Going to buy at least a 24" screen maybe a 27". Not sure which yet but want it all in HD.
Will you be overclocking: yes!
Any motherboard requirements: USB 3.0/SATA 3/SLI/Crossfire/ No bottleneck of graphics cards/ Good overclocker

The following is the system I was going to order from overclockers.co.uk.

Motherboard: Asus P6X58D-E Intel X58 (Socket 1366) DDR3 Motherboard [90-MIBD80-G0EAY00Z]
CPU: Intel Core i7 930 2.80GHz (Bloomfield) (Socket LGA1366) - Retail [BX80601930]
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 Plus (Socket AM2/AM2+/AM3/775/1156/1366) [RR-B10-212P-GP]
Memory: Corsair XMS3 6GB (3x2GB) DDR3 12800C9 1600MHz Triple Channel (CMX6GX3M3A1600C9) [CMX6GX3M3A1600C9]
GPU: Asus GeForce GTX 470 V2 1280MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card with MAFIA 2 [ENGTX470/2DI/1280MD5/V2]
Hard Drive: Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache - OEM (WD1002FAEX)
Optical Drive: LG CH10LS20 10x BluRay-ROM / 16x DVD±RW Drive - Black (Retail)
PSU: Corsair 850W TX Series PSU - 140mm Fan - 5 Year Warranty
OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit - OEM (GFC-00599) [GFC-00599]
Case: Coolermaster HAF 922

However after purchasing issue 085 of CustomPC I found they had a very similar performance build from scan.co.uk for about the same price. It is basically the same as what I had planned except with a Radeon HD 5870. If I went this route I would ditch the blue-ray player and get a dvd drive instead to compensate for the price difference. I also would not bother getting a sound card.

The intel i7 950 is the same price as the i7 930 at the moment, should I go for the 950?

How good is the radeon 5870? Does it have an HDMI port and could it power say a 50" TV?

Would there be any trouble going duel GPU in the future and having two in crossfire?

What CPU fan do you recommend? Is the one I have chosen any good?

Thanks in advance for your help
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Old 17th Sep 2010, 13:43   #2
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your build is quite an overkill....swap the 470 for the 5870 as the 470's GF100 architecture proved to be a failure...take the 5870 as the power consumption and temps are low...the performance of the 5870 is surely better than the 470

for your cpu cooler take the titan fenrir than the 212+ which is quite noisy...

you wouldn't have any troubles going duel gpu as the P6X58D-E supports both crossfire and sli...cheers for your build
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Old 17th Sep 2010, 13:54   #3
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Thanks for the advice!

Is this the one you speak of?

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...odid=HS-010-TI

I've seen that the 5870 is the more popular choice, but its also a lot more expensive. Just want to be sure I am getting something substantial for the extra cash.
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Old 17th Sep 2010, 14:43   #4
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ya...thats the cooler...the latest fenrir


you will see quite a difference between the 470 and the 5870....looks up some reviews on bit tech
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1) The intel i7 950 is the same price as the i7 930 at the moment, should I go for the 950?

2) How good is the radeon 5870? Does it have an HDMI port and could it power say a 50" TV?

3) Would there be any trouble going duel GPU in the future and having two in crossfire?
1) Absolutely go for the 950! It's more likely to have more overclocking headroom - and you have a higher stock speed to fall back on.

2) Very good card, I think almost all versions have an HDMI output, check to be sure. It'll be fine for powering 1080p! However, see my comments below about the 470.

3) Absolutely no problems!
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swap the 470 for the 5870 as the 470's GF100 architecture proved to be a failure...take the 5870 as the power consumption and temps are low...the performance of the 5870 is surely better than the 470

for your cpu cooler take the titan fenrir than the 212+ which is quite noisy...
I don't think it's so clear cut as that. 5870s are creeping back up to over £300 whilst 470s can be had for less than £220 with Mafia 2 thrown in. Good choice for the cooler!
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you will see quite a difference between the 470 and the 5870....looks up some reviews on bit tech

As for reviews, you'd be foolish to take the word of just one site (no offence BT!). Here's a review of 470s in SLI to get you started.
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Thanks for the review, I hadn't read that one. From the reviews I have read it seems the 5870 is very slightly more powerful but the 470 comes with CUDA, Physx and great overclock potential.

From the benchmarks there really isn't much in it so I'm thinking about saving myself £70-80 and get the 470.

The main thing that bothers me is the amount of noise the card makes. From my other thread some one recommended I look for a 470 with a manufacturers custom cooler. I have been unable to find one for a decent price?

Thus far I'm thinking about the;

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/1280M...2xDVImini-HDMI

On a side note, what is Scan.co.uk like? Are they reliable?
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Scan are way better than Overcockers, If you ever have to RMA parts to Overcockers you will know what I'm saying.
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The couple times I've ordered from Scan, I've been very impressed. Ordered stuff and it came a day or 2 later. I highly recommend them.
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Fenrir and Samsung Spinpoint F3 that's my 2p's worth.
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The main thing that bothers me is the amount of noise the card makes.

On a side note, what is Scan.co.uk like? Are they reliable?
If you're planning to use speakers whilst gaming rather than a headset then 5870s are probably the way to go. I've played with 470s in SLI and I have to say they're nowhere near as noisy as people make them out to be: however, an overclock will make them wind up quite noticeably. A 470 with a custom cooler currently costs the same as a 5870, if not more so.

Scan is damn reliable!

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For the same price as that Corsair TX 850 you can get PSUs with higher efficiency and modularity and probably better electrical performance. If buying from OCUK the Silent Pro Gold 800 is what I'm talking about, if buying from scan I'm talking about either the Silverstone Strider Plus ST85F-P or the XFX 850W Black Edition.

You're going to have a hard time finding a 470 that is able to perform quietly. The fan on that Asus one looks small to me, I wouldn't want a graphics card with a small cooler, and all the others are the same. Then again 5870s with the stock cooler would be too loud for some people, but then it's probably easier to get a 5870 with a good cooler on it, for instance: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...56&subcat=1502 Depends how important quietness is to you.

The good thing about OCUK is that you can get good deals like that. So maybe change the majority of components to scan, especially if it's cheaper but get the good deals at OCUK.

Here's some good RAM, lower latency than the set in the OP: Geil Black Dragon 6GB (3x2GB) 1600Mhz 8-8-8-24 1.6V GB36GB1600C8TC £115. Good price.
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Fenrir and Samsung Spinpoint F3 that's my 2p's worth
I've read that this cooler is massive and may cover up a memory slot on the Asus motherboard I intend to buy. Anything a bit smaller you recommend?

I was looking for a SATA3 hard drive because I understand they are faster. Surely this Western Digital is faster then the Samsung?

Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...14&subcat=1279


Samsung SpinPoint F3 1TB SATA-II 32MB Cache
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...14&subcat=1279
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What is the best PSU to be had for about £100-110?
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I've read that this cooler is massive and may cover up a memory slot on the Asus motherboard I intend to buy. Anything a bit smaller you recommend?
The Thermalright 120 Ultra Extreme wont block any memory slots I use these myself for that reason.

Or the corsair H70.

And I would go for a Corsair PSU
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Well I was going for a Corsair 850W TX Series PSU, however someone stated I could get better for the money.

So I have been looking at the XFX Black Edition 850 W Power Supply, But apparently it may require adapters if I choose to go for a 3 way SLI?

Are there any draw backs to these adapters?
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I wouldn't use adapters, If you are considering 3 way SLI I would spend a bit more money on the PSU get something that wont need adapters.

And TBH I'm not keen on the XFX PSU's.
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What about this instead?

http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/850W-...80-Plus-Silver

From reviews the only downfall I have seen is that it can be a bit loud

Oh and is this the hard drive people have been talking about?
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/ss1TB...-89-ms-NCQ-OEM

No benefit going for sata3 over this, right?

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Also, would it be worth waiting to order a graphics card until the new AMD cards are released. I understand they are coming out really soon? Figure I could just use an old graphics card until then.
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Well you really are thinking about 3 way sli you will need six 6 pin pci-i connectors which I dont think that PSU has also it dont have a lot of amps on the 12v rail.

Also with 3 way SLI you will need at least 8 pci slots in the case so I would check that.

I had a Corsair HX1000 PSU and it wasn't enough for my 2 GTX 480's started to get really hot and didn't smell good hence the PSU in my sig.

I would say too much is better than not enough in this case.
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3-way SLI is just an option I would have liked to have. It is more likely I will just go 2-way.

I'm a bit confused now because on the Scan technical page it says it doesn't support SLI/Crossfire, yet this review says otherwise?

http://www.hardwareheaven.com/review...roduction.html

What Amp level would you want to see on the 12v rail? Some of the higher models I have seen only have 70Amps, this has "Class-leading single +12V rail with 67A (peak 72A)"


This is the technical spec;

1x 24 / 20-Pin motherboard connector(550mm)
1x 8 / 4-Pin EPS / ATX 12V connector(750mm)
1x 8 / 4-Pin EPS / ATX 12V connector(550mm)
2x 8/6-Pin PCIE connector(550mm)
2x 6-Pin PCIE connector(550mm)
6x SATA connector(500mm / 250mm / 250mm)
6x 4-Pin Peripheral connector (500mm / 250mm / 250mm)
2x 4-Pin Floppy connector(500mm / 250mm / 250mm / 150mm)

So this has four 6 pin pci-i connectors, this is perfect for 2-way SLI, yes?

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